Interpretation of Signs in the CT3M (HR, BP, Temp)
Thank you to Darin Gregg, Joanne Irwin and other thyroid forum members who contributed with comments and support during the process of putting this information together.
Purpose - Signs Interpretation during the CT3M
This document is about the interpretation of blood Pressure, heart rate and body temperature when using the circadian T3 method (CT3M).
This document assumes that the thyroid patient has partial adrenal insufficiency (adrenal fatigue) but that the adrenals are going to respond well to the CT3M. We are not assuming the case of someone with dreadfully weak adrenal glands that might not respond in a straightforward way. Someone with very bad adrenal issues may need present with considerably more complex results and may require more individually tailored assessment. So, this document is aimed at the simplest case of someone who responds straightforwardly to the CT3M.
This document also assumes that vitamin and mineral levels, such as D3, selenium, potassium, magnesium, calcium, iron, B12, folic acid, etc., are good. It also assumes that the recommended supplements are being taken each day: B complex, vitamin C, D3, a chelated multi-mineral and chelated magnesium.
Thyroid patients should not attempt to use the CT3M unless they know with confidence that they have low cortisol. Many thyroid patients who have been ill for some time and have not simply bounced back from thyroid treatment will indeed have low cortisol. It is also common for patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis to have less than ideal adrenal performance. Even so low cortisol should be confirmed by laboratory testing. This can only be achieved with confidence if a 24-hour adrenal saliva test has been done. In addition serum iron, serum ferritin and transferrin saturation % should also have been tested. Iron and cortisol must be tested prior to starting to use the circadian T3 method and to start without these may waste a significant amount of time and cause incorrect actions to be taken.
There must also be no Addison's disease or hypopituitarism as both of these conditions will not respond to the CT3M. If there are any issues with blood sugar balance, e.g. diabetes, pre-diabetes or insulin resistance then these must be being treated. Any low iron must be being treated also with appropriate supplementation.
High and low cortisol can both cause thyroid hormones to be rendered less effective. High cortisol can block the effect of thyroid hormone and low cortisol will reduce the flow of glucose from the bloodstream to the cells and also make thyroid hormone less effective (due to the adverse effect on ATP production). Why mention this? Well, it means that when applying the CT3M it is very easy to be confused as to why certain results are occurring - are they due to low or high cortisol?
Also, sometimes when adrenals are in bad shape and the circadian dose is increased or moved earlier this can cause too much strain on the adrenals and rather than getting an improvement you can see a worsening of symptom and signs. So, there is a need for trial and error and careful thinking at times. The guidelines in this document are really just a starting place and will not cover all cases and all patients' needs. It is often better to discuss the symptoms and signs that are being experienced with your doctor or other thyroid patients to get more input.
Another good general observation comes from Janie Bowthorpe. Normally, a hypothyroid person is going to feel more refreshed when they wake up in the morning. So if someone doesn't feel that way, it's likely to be low adrenal function rather than low thyroid. A thyroid patient with no adrenal issues will generally wake up in the morning feeling okay and better refreshed. It's as the day progressed that it becomes clear how hypothyroid they are. Most of the time feeling un-refreshed first thing in the morning is far more likely to be a low cortisol symptom, and feeing more tired in the afternoon is more likely to mean the thyroid patient has too little thyroid hormone...though having a cortisol problem can exacerbate the tiredness one feels as the morning progresses and when afternoon continues. The important thing is "first thing in the morning". Even thyroid patients with the worst levels of hypothyroidism and without an adrenal issue, will feel more refreshed upon waking. So when someone says they are feeling un-refreshed upon waking, it's far more likely to be an adrenal problem than a hypothyroid problem based on patient experience over the years.
We have also found that it is important to start with low levels of daytime thyroid medication to avoid problems. If a thyroid patient has found out about the CT3M but is already on a high T3 dosage, e.g. 80-120 mg of T3 but they report low body temperatures, feeling cold and tired they almost certainly have more than enough thyroid hormone. The symptoms and signs could be due to low cortisol or the overwhelming high level of T3 that is somehow causing problems. Time and time again we have seen symptoms and signs that suggest hypothyroidism that have been caused by excessive use of T3. The problems get worse when someone like this begins to use the CT3M as all this excess thyroid hormone may begin to be effective. We often see body temperature, blood pressure, and heart rate all shoot up dramatically and sometimes dangerously as well as other symptoms that suggest hyperthyroidism. It can be quite scary. Problems can also ensue when they reduce their daytime T3 dosage whilst already doing the CT3M, as this also can make more of the thyroid hormone effective and balanced with the cortisol availability. To avoid this we believe it is essential to start with low daytime doses of thyroid medication (T3 or natural desiccated thyroid) to reduce the risk of this happening.
So, with all of the above in mind let's make some simple and general observations. These assume that the thyroid patient has weak adrenal performance but that this is not so chronic as to make the response to the CT3M complex to understand. As mentioned above some responses can be very difficult to figure out and a lot of assessment will be required (more than the simplistic guidelines below will help with).
Signs - Simplest Case Guidelines
Lowered BP, Temps, and HR over the day often indicate low T3.
- This may be accompanied by a greater sense of pain if you have pain issues (muscle and or joint pain), tiredness, lack of motivation, brain fog, and anxiety. The full list of hypo symptoms is extensive.
Higher BP, Temps, and HR over the day, often indicate too much T3.
-This may be accompanied by shakiness, wired anxiety, agitation, weakness, spacey feeling, brain fog, muscle tightness (pain in neck, headache) and/or feeling physically overheated, among a host of other symptoms, which can indicate too much T3.
Note: Too much T3 can manifest with higher systolic (top number) BP, with diastolic perhaps remaining the same or only slightly raised. Too much T3 usually raises the heart rate and makes someone feel warmer (but this depends on whether there is enough cortisol and iron etc.). Anxiety and a feeling of tension/stress can also be caused by too much T3 as can loose bowels. See both the 'Stop the Thyroid Madness' and the 'Recovering with T3' books for more information on the affect of excessive or too little thyroid hormone.
Lower than normal temps < 98.4F average, is indicative of low thyroid, and >99F average, is indicative of high thyroid. Temps may start the day lower, but average should be 98.4 - 98.6F.
- Basal temps below 97.8F (true basal temp can be as low as 97.4 and still not mean hypo - it needs to be averaged over a 3 to 5 day period) can be indicative of low thyroid, but basals are not the best indicator.
Note: Basal temp is the body temperature taken first thing when you awake, before getting out of bed.
Taking Temps: We need to assess the success of the circadian dose. So, taking the temperature within the first hour after rising is essential. A mid or late morning and mid/late afternoon and evening reading is also useful.
Repeating these at the same times each day is important so that a comparison can be made and any trends spotted (the same applies to heart rate and blood pressure readings. Several days of readings may be needed to draw any real conclusion.
For natural desiccated thyroid users then taking an average daytime temperature, i.e. averaging the morning, afternoon and evening body temperatures may be more helpful.
For T3 users: Temperatures should be taken within the first hour of rising and then in between each T3 dose and just before the next dose is taken as well as sometime in the evening. Taking temperature in between each dose provides information on whether the previous dose was effective. Taking the temperature just before each dose is taken provides information on whether the dose that is about to be taken is actually needed yet or not (if the vital signs are still good then maybe the dose should be delayed). No averaging of these temperatures for T3 users should be done, as each T3 dose should be assessed in terms of its affect on body temperature.
Note: Temps can drop if you are very relaxed, sleepy (taking a nap), without being low T3. Everyone has had this experience, but when you get up and do something, temps rise again and you become awake. Ambient temps can also give false highs and false lows. Keep this in mind when dosing. At least one other symptom of either hyper or hypo should go along with the temp fluctuation before using temp as a dosing guideline.
Heart Rate Guidelines:
Heart Rates <60 and >90 BPM, are often indicative of low and high thyroid respectively, but there are individual variations. Anything below 66 is suspicious of hypo, unless you are an athlete and very fit, in which case you can have a much lower than normal HR without symptoms. Normal HR for an average person is in the 70-80 range.
-Exceptions to this rule: High HR or high normal, with lower temp and BP may be an indication of hypo. (HR should fall, BP and temps may rise after dosing)
Low HR or low normal, but raised BP, and lower temps, may be an indication of hypo. (HR should rise, BP may lower a bit, and temps may rise after dosing)
High HR, with raised BP may be an indication of adrenaline production due to weak adrenals/low cortisol. In this case temps may be low, normal or even high. In this case the heart rate is often well above 90 and the BP much higher than normal.
Feeling as if the heart is pounding with normal BP, HR (beats per minute) and temp, could indicate you need electrolytes such as magnesium/potassium /calcium or any combo of those. A fast pounding heart rate can be low sodium. A slow pounding heart with low (or raised) BP and (low) temps could indicate low T3. A pounding heart can also be the effect of adrenaline due to low cortisol (this is often accompanied by raised BP but it depends on how low the cortisol is and how high the adrenaline is).
Note: The late Dr. Lowe said if all vitals seem normal, a mild pounding sensation, could be a sign of adequate thyroid as thyroid patients aren't used to the normal healthy heart beat.
Patient Joanne Irwin's experience with dosing—“I am finding that if I wake with my temp lower than 97.6 and it does not get to 98.4 by 1:00 pm (for a couple days in a row), I need to add a little (2.5 at a time) to the CM dose the next day, or to my 10:00 am dose. I try to get the temp up to (no less than) 98.4 by 2:00. My temps, BP and HR all seem to line out great if I go by this timing of temp readings”.
In addition to all the above it is very important to look at trends and changes that have occurred due to thyroid medication dosage changes. Often the most important information is in fact to be found by assessing a number of different changes in circadian dose or daytime thyroid medication dosage that has caused changes in symptoms and signs to occur. Very often just looking at heart rate, temps and BP alone at any given time will not be enough to assess what should be done to improve adrenal function and symptoms and signs. It is the overall assessment over a number of dosage changes that will reveal a clearer picture of what is occurring.
Finally, repeating laboratory testing of cortisol and iron and other nutrients or levels may also be required to provide sufficient insight into what is happening with thyroid and adrenal levels and action.